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SK-RSV4

01-24-2018, 06:07 PM

well if anyone has seen the first ride reviews on youtube the new Ducati looks to be a stunning bike.
I never got on too well with Ducati's - love the look but they always look better than they ride, but the V4 may have changed things for them.

I am going to take one for a test as soon as the weather improves but would be interested to hear anyones views comparing to an Aprilia RSV4 ?

dastrix

01-24-2018, 06:08 PM

Im keen to see the maintenance schedule

Kbrok

01-24-2018, 06:09 PM

I have been reading a lot that the bike is not an improvement over the L Twin. The only problem with V twin motors is in order to compete with the other bikes in terms of power and torque they need to increase the physical size of the motor and that is not what they wanted to do so they had to change platforms. A birdie told me that when he took his V4s to the dyno that it only made 17x hp to the wheel.

SK-RSV4

01-24-2018, 06:30 PM

The L twin was pushed out of being a nice useable motor in their hunt for more and more HP for racing - it ruined the ride on the panigale for me. Also I found the Panigale felt long and lazy in the handling department - it was exciting, but then so is being chased by a pit bull !

I have ridden all the ducati sports bikes and every time I ride a newer one I prefer the older ones ! purely for character and LESS power

I am lucky enough to have a coupe sports bikes in the garage but I cannot afford another one this year - 2019 maybe !? but I am real keen to ride one

Shaman666

01-24-2018, 06:35 PM

Not really. It's really expensive and can't be raced except in open groups. Having 226hp on the street appeals less and less to me all the time. And I would never, never buy a Ducati in its first year of production.

Viper1

01-24-2018, 06:50 PM

I have have a bunch of Ducatis (1199s. 1098s, 996s, 749s, 916sps, 916, 851, 888 sps, 900ss & 750ss, 750 PASO) and I must say the most enjoyable smoothest one is the 1988 750 PASO, than it's a toss up between the 888 and the 749....I love my RSV4's (2 2010's & 2016 RF) and they are (to me at least) built better then the Ducati's. I'm slowly thinning the Ducati collection and building the Aprilia...LOL. By the way all the BS about the new V4 laying down 202 at the wheel is so much bullsh*t its funny!

prettykin

01-24-2018, 07:41 PM

That little birdie should be squashed...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMb4sy_TJbE

stan1

01-24-2018, 09:14 PM

Hell NO!!!!! They can keep that sh*t, cost way to much.... 22k for the base model, and S version 28k, and that's all before taxes, freight, and set up fee. Make me sick to see that.

CIAO 70

01-25-2018, 01:31 AM

I just came from Ducati to Aprilia.

Had an 1198 SP that I loved. Had a 1098 and 1198S before that.

Main reason for the switch is the maintenance schedule and all of the "glitches" that gave Ducati it's "ambience".

I really miss the tractor like torque low in the rev range that the Ducati L twin had. However, I always seemed to need a little more red line than the Ducati would give me. Try to carry a gear too long and your at the limiter but have to gear up at the least opportune time.

Won't have the same down low grunt with the Aprilia but will be able to rev higher and make more torque and horsepower in that range.

At least that's the way it is in my circ*mstance.

BTW

The new Ducati bodywork is FUGLY IMO!

https://images.contentful.com/28uk7b0wvnz9/4cGjVvpQQokGmGkAuKUUM2/ad4cbf642bc5d064e92632b07fdd6609/Panigale-V4-MY18-Red-02-Slider-Gallery-1920x1080.jpg

rsnet

01-25-2018, 01:48 AM

There saying 7500 service intervals with the bigger service at 15K.

This 1100 version will only be able to run in the open class here, but the 1000cc SBK qualifying spec should arrive later in the year, being told it’s done with a shorter throw crank and Rod.

My S version should arrive week 2 of February.

mikef4uk

01-25-2018, 04:49 AM

Quite a good video, the sound isnt doing it for me though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy6tTk48gy0

mikef4uk

01-25-2018, 04:52 AM

Im keen to see the maintenance schedule

15000km or 9300 miles on the road bike

paulmm600

01-25-2018, 06:23 AM

I just came from Ducati to Aprilia.

Had an 1198 SP that I loved. Had a 1098 and 1198S before that.

Main reason for the switch is the maintenance schedule and all of the "glitches" that gave Ducati it's "ambience".

Won't have the same down low grunt with the Aprilia but will be able to rev higher and make more torque and horsepower in that range.

At least that's the way it is in my circ*mstance.

BTW

The new Ducati bodywork is FUGLY IMO!

https://images.contentful.com/28uk7b0wvnz9/4cGjVvpQQokGmGkAuKUUM2/ad4cbf642bc5d064e92632b07fdd6609/Panigale-V4-MY18-Red-02-Slider-Gallery-1920x1080.jpg

Welcome aboard, I'm a Ducati fan too but the Ape is hard to beat. My old 2012 rsv4 pulls well from 6 to 9k then goes nuts until 12k. I'm guessing you're going new, so can't imagine you'll be disappointed, they just kept getting better after mine.

I still want an 1198 though but have only ridden a 1098, is there much difference for fast street riding?

rsnet

01-25-2018, 07:05 AM

15000km or 9300 miles on the road bike
Sorry Mike, of course.

Normal service at 12K KM. Big service with valve clearances at 24k KM.

I am a little skeptics if 12k is the oil service as this sounds a lot, but they say 12K KM / annual.

it won’t concern me as its for the track Ducati endurance cup, so oil every weekend and engine strip end of each season about 3000 km per engine, same goes for the Aprilia each year 3000 KM roughly.

Diablo1

01-25-2018, 09:55 AM

That little birdie should be squashed...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMb4sy_TJbE

202 HP at the wheel is believable. The RSV4 makes about 180 HP, and the Ducati has 10% more displacement, and larger throttle bodies and intake valves. So 10% more power puts it in the neighborhood of 200 HP.

CIAO 70

01-25-2018, 11:21 AM

I still want an 1198 though but have only ridden a 1098, is there much difference for fast street riding?

Much difference between the 1098 and 1198?

A bit more torque and HP due to another 1000cc in displacement but I couldn't really feel the difference.

However, I changed bike in the off season so I really couldn't do a back to back comparison.

I really wish I could have kept the SP but just didn't have room for it. It really is/was one sexy machine and an exhaust note like no other. I was working the deal at the shop for my APE when I heard them start up my Duc. Sounded like a stock car with open headers. Loved it.

I'm sure I'll love my Ape if I ever get a chance to ride it. f*ckin weather! lol

Pasta Monsta

01-25-2018, 11:45 AM

I will never buy a Ducati, they always have to cheat to be competitive with anyone else and they still cost more. They use to say they needed more CC to have similar power because they had twins, now they have no excuse for more CC's and yet they have 103cc's more then anyone else and all anyone is talking about is how much power it makes with its race kit... yeah I'd hope it makes a lot. Then all I hear is oh they will have 1000cc version... Yeah for $35k or more, Probably $38k. I hope during the reviews that get released of it vs all the other bikes they disqualify it from lap times and dyno charts because of it having a displacement advantage.

murphc13

01-25-2018, 11:57 AM

Sonny112

01-25-2018, 12:05 PM

Youre right, Ducati should only ever think within an arbitrary, finite box. How dare they!

Diablo1

01-25-2018, 12:18 PM

You’re right, Ducati should only ever think within an arbitrary, finite box. How dare they!

Who cares about arbitrary displacement limits on a street bike/track bike? Aprilia should answer with 1200cc, and pistons larger than 81mm. The only reason to have a liter limit is for production racing, and Aprilia doesn’t have the technical resources to have a strong factory support in WSBK, while they’re in MotoGP.

SK-RSV4

01-25-2018, 02:30 PM

The one bit aesthetically I don't like about the Ducati V4 is the silver frame spar - wish they had done it Black but I expect a carbon frame cover will be available in 2 weeks ! but otherwise I like the look.
And yes WHY do ducati hate to lose so much they are always changing the rules ! they keep pushing the CC limit - on purpose - to gain any advantage they can get to beat the competition - as if 1000 CC isn't fast enough for the road OR track !!!!!!!!!!
The price is always higher .. a premium for the red paint i suppose,

I think the Aprilia is a better bike than the 1299 in useable performance and handling by some good margin, also the Aprilia is better finished, but the V4 sure does promise a lot, especially with the electronics and the counter rotating crank, if the engine is as refined as the Aprilia RSV4 then it will be a bloody close contest.

I'm going to ride one, I too wouldn't get a 'first year' one either, but I'm tempted to start saving !

SK-RSV4

01-25-2018, 02:33 PM

I'd love the 851 or 888 ! wouldn't ride them far as they are horrible on long rides but a summer breakfast ride would be perfect

yeah I agree, if the Ducati hits 202 at the wheel I'd eat my air filter !

Pasta Monsta

01-25-2018, 07:40 PM

You’re right, Ducati should only ever think within an arbitrary, finite box. How dare they!

Im not saying every bike needs to fit in exactly the same catagory, I love that the supernaked bikes are all over the place with engines and cc's 1290 super duke, speed tripple, tuono 1100. I just think its ridiculous to compete in a class that is defined at 1000cc and go "oh yeah we will try to make a 1000cc bike we just need 1103cc to do so". The R spec doesnt bother me as much but its still gonna be close to double the price of the other bikes.

TainoWarrior

01-25-2018, 07:45 PM

Im actually considering myself to jump on the duc wagon, With the lack of support for Aprilias in so cal it something Im really considering

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Pasta Monsta

01-25-2018, 08:33 PM

To further my point and why Im so mad I just watched bike worlds review of the ducati. All the guy says it wow this new engine is so good, 226hp 226hp 226hp and then half way through goes "and thats a lot to say about a 1000cc bike" but its not and yet everyone is gonna pretend it is. Ill lose my mind if everyone to make 1100cc bike just to keep up. Rant over...

Sonny112

01-25-2018, 09:09 PM

I’m actually considering myself to jump on the duc wagon, With the lack of support for Aprilias in so cal it something I’m really considering

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Is that a joke? You're in Moto Mecca! If anywhere has widespread support of all brands it's SoCal. I used to live in Long Beach. If you haven't already tried them, take a look at GP Motorcycles in San Diego. I bought my Ducati off them and they supported my Ape very well. They're a great shop, check them out.

I've also had great support from Ducati Newport, which sells Aprilia now as I understand. They never serviced my Ape, but did excellent work on my Duc.

TainoWarrior

01-25-2018, 09:26 PM

I had my run ins with GP Motorsports service department that where I bought my ape . Sales and parts are cool folks . There service department is a different beast. The nearest dealership to me beside GP is Newport Beach . Read my yelp review on GP there definitely more incline to work on Ducs they shy away on Apes it a long story I wrote a yelp review on there service department read it pretty interesting.

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murphc13

01-25-2018, 11:25 PM

Just came to post my Aprilia 1200cc brainwave I’ve had.But someone beat me to it.
Feel strange to say this but the Duc V4 in all red looks a little cheap IMO.

Turder

01-26-2018, 08:40 AM

The one bit aesthetically I don't like about the Ducati V4 is the silver frame spar

yep and when naked, you can see bronze colored front subframe, silver main front frame and then black rear subframe. That kind of color mismatch was usually found on "tastefully modded" 90's jap bike.

fasteddie13

01-26-2018, 01:42 PM

No way!
Too expensive, bodywork is uninspired, sounds like crap.

RSV4 FTW!

fasteddie13

01-26-2018, 01:43 PM

Dude, Amauri is right there!!
I’m actually considering myself to jump on the duc wagon, With the lack of support for Aprilias in so cal it something I’m really considering

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Gluge

01-26-2018, 01:46 PM

I just bought a 17' RR but I would have been tempted by the ducati if it wasn't so much more $$ and if it wasn't a first year bike. I'm probably in the minority here but I think the ducati looks prettier. I agree on the silver frame spar not looking right though. I wouldn't call the RSV4 pretty... but it's looks have grown on me and I think it certainly looks neat in a stealth fighter kind of way. I really like the rear brake slide control they have on the Ducati V4 and I like the lighter weight. I have to say though even though they use a TFT also the graphic design of the display is so much better on the RSV4 than what they went with on the Ducati. That round RPM display looks way way harder to read than the aprilia's

kbs69

01-27-2018, 12:24 PM

For me it’s down to the price, 25k when I could get a nearly new RF for 16k! I would rather have 3 bikes worth 25k in the garage. If mo yeah was no option then off course I would think about one, by the sounds of the reviews it sounds like one hell of a bike, and Motorapido Ducati in uk have had a stock bike on the Dyno and it made over 200bhp!!!!

Mr.J

01-27-2018, 01:44 PM

But you got to be curious of the reverse-rotating crank and how it make the bike feels.....

Ontariomystic

01-27-2018, 02:55 PM

But you got to be curious of the reverse-rotating crank and how it make the bike feels.....

I believe that is what makes the F3 800 feel amazing

erick1670

01-27-2018, 07:36 PM

Today I defected to Ducati....

Soon Ill be getting an Hypermotard SP tho :D

OpenFlash

01-27-2018, 08:37 PM

Im not defecting by any means, but my Panigale V4 S will be here in a few weeks :)

thomashpsn

01-27-2018, 08:54 PM

Dude, Amauri is right there!!

Shoot, I bring my bike from Vegas to have Amauri work on it.

Ricardo J

01-27-2018, 09:29 PM

Erick, is that an Aussie market Duc? I ask because its upside down.

Whitney151

01-27-2018, 09:44 PM

Nope. Im good with my rf and 06 sport classic. BMW GS is up next I think.

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erick1670

01-27-2018, 10:09 PM

Erick, is that an Aussie market Duc? I ask because its upside down.
Lol....

Don't know why the pics are upside donw.... :bangwall::spankie:

prettykin

01-27-2018, 10:29 PM

The bike looks the part in person, and judging from the reviews it rides the same. The more CC's the merrier! I'm not racing!
After owning both an RSV4 and a 1199 Panigale I for one prefer the Ducati. Both bike wise and especially dealer support. I wore Ducati USA out with warranty claims and all they ever said was, "We'll TAKE CARE OF IT!" Aprilia on the other hand has tried to wiggle out of warranty claims twice and from what I've read/heard it's common. That said, my '17 RSV4 is a nice bike and I really like it, but the best and most memorable bike I've ever owned said Panigale on the side fairing. The RSV4 is tied with the '16 R1 for second best! If my wife would let me drop 30 racks on a Panigale V4 I would in a heart beat. For those worried about buying first model from Ducati, relax because Ducati actually honor their warranties.

brooklyn86

01-28-2018, 03:22 AM

Good feedback! I never ridden a Panigale so I guess I don't know any better. haha The RSV4 is easily the best bike I've ever ridden but again that depends on your experience.

Funny you say that about claiming warranty items because a Aprilia dealership near me (when I was shopping for a bike) told me Aprilia takes care of its customers and they're easy to work with. Not sure if it was their experience or just something they say to potential owners.

I, too, just got my first Aprilia (RSV4) and for the money, I don't regret the decision at all. There's no way I could see myself putting down 20-30k on the new Ducati. I will say I'm happy the competition is getting stiffer because it'll only be a matter of years (or a generation or two) before we start seeing that technology/capability in other, (much) more affordable bike offerings.

mikef4uk

01-28-2018, 05:38 AM

A lot of interviews with Ducati have said their V4 will find it's way into more bikes..............................

Once it gets into a naked version I cant help thinking that the Tuono Factory 1100 may be relegated to an unfamiliar step on the podium :mad:

dellabad

01-28-2018, 08:34 AM

If they fit the v4 in a new multistrada, without cam belts and a lot of ponies, they will shake the tree of big trails.

HighwayHum72

01-28-2018, 11:03 AM

I won't be throwing down the cash for the Duc anytime soon, but I really do appreciate the constant evolution of race bred engineering. We all benefit from the global competition that makes the sport machines we ride on the street so incredible.

Ricardo J

01-28-2018, 01:02 PM

murphc13

01-28-2018, 04:47 PM

If someone finds that their RSV4 is suddenly not fast enough, instead of selling her for a big loss and paying full pop for an unproven desmo V-4 consider doing this instead: buy a pair of BSTs for your Aprilia, enjoy new levels of performance, and save a big pile o’ cash!
100% agree.
But at the same time if some guys wanna trade up and go Ducati then just leave em go.
Only time will tell if some regret or not.
Most won’t admit it though:)

prettykin

01-28-2018, 10:54 PM

100% agree.
But at the same time if some guys wanna trade up and go Ducati then just leave em go.
Only time will tell if some regret or not.
Most won’t admit it though:)

I will never understand this silly Fan boy mentality.

murphc13

01-28-2018, 11:50 PM

I will never understand this silly Fan boy mentality.
There may be an element of fanboyism but there may also be an element of truth.
I was merely saying “why stop anyone ‘going’”?
If it’s what a man wants then it’s cool.
I wouldn’t try to stop anyone from doing anything unless it’s causing harm.
And TBH I’m not a major fanboy.Although I do like these bikes.
I traded my first RSV4 for a 2013 Hayabusa.And I’d love another Hayabusa also.

Turder

01-29-2018, 03:28 AM

I think one of the interesting things is the 2nd gen electronic suspension and the way you can configure it. Add more damping on the braking for example, but still keep it plush on when cruising over bumbs etc. And the interface seems really intuitive. Only thing I wonder is how it adapts or performs if you swap springs to heavier or lighter? I think electronic or semi-active suspension is a bit like TC was 5-8 years ago. Huge leaps in cleverness, performance and usability in every update and generation offered.

mikef4uk

01-29-2018, 04:52 AM

I will never understand this silly Fan boy mentality.

I just cant see the 'Fan Boy' mentality in Murphc13's post at all, he's not knocking the Ducati or bigging the Aprilia up

murphc13

01-29-2018, 07:12 AM

I just cant see the 'Fan Boy' mentality in Murphc13's post at all, he's not knocking the Ducati or bigging the Aprilia up
Thanks Mike.

gtpandrsvrguy

01-29-2018, 09:28 AM

Cost of ownership is going to be higher than the 🦍 for sure. I never liked the look of the pani because of all the plastic little tube covers. Reminded me of a meat head juice boy with veins popping out all over the place. I like the look of this one over the last one. I can guarantee one thing the aprilia will always have over any Ducati sportbike.... comfort! My first rsv-r was bought simple because the ergos were thousands better than Ducati and that is still true today with my rsv4.

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Racer X

01-29-2018, 04:08 PM

7500 mi will be just an oil change

Current bikes require a big service at 18,000

Mine cost $1200

But really how many of these see this kind of mileage in, say 5 yrs?

My buddy is looking at selling his 2016 pani R for the new especiale

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180129/dd77bb9ab23e469f2cea5ea2e23f6e87.jpg

Ill be looking for a V4 monster or Streetfighter

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prettykin

01-29-2018, 05:28 PM

Cost of ownership is going to be higher than the for sure. I never liked the look of the pani because of all the plastic little tube covers. Reminded me of a meat head juice boy with veins popping out all over the place. I like the look of this one over the last one. I can guarantee one thing the aprilia will always have over any Ducati sportbike.... comfort! My first rsv-r was bought simple because the ergos were thousands better than Ducati and that is still true today with my rsv4.

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My 1199 was no more expensive to own/maintain than my '16 R1, or my '17 RSV4. Like a few guys already mentioned 7500mi requires not much more than an Oil change which I do myself. Because the 1199/1299 bikes were frameless the major 15k valve inspection service was a bit expensive ($1200 - 1800) with most of the cost coming in the form of labor charges because the the whole bike had to basically be disassembled. With the new V4 bike the cost should drop dramatically because the engine has been rotated backwards with a perimeter frame that should allow better access to the valve covers for service. As far as comfort and ergos are concerned I felt the 1199 was a little more comfortable than my RSV4. I had a chance to sit on the new V4 and I think the ergos on it are similar to the 1199/1299. You also get the piece of mind knowing Ducati will honor their 2 year factory warranty. I can't say the same for Aprilia...

ranman03

01-30-2018, 08:09 AM

Ergos are subjective to whoever is riding the bike. To myself, the 899/959/1199/1299 all feel like sh*t and very uncomfortable all around.

I have put time in on a nicely setup 1199R at COTA and still hated it.

I also love the claim that Aprilia doesn't stand behind their warranty by reading a handful of complaints on this forum and not factoring in the thousands of riders who never wield a keyboard to tell you otherwise.

I am fortunate enough to have a great Aprilia dealer here in Dallas and close enough to AF1 and HSBK (both locations) if the need ever came up.

I wouldn't blame someone for wanting to switch to the Duc for dealer reasons as that is a legitimate concern but the concern should only lie with maintenance and warranty claims, not the lack of Aprilia fulfilling their end of warranty itself.

--Randy

Whitney151

01-30-2018, 07:51 PM

Its been my experience that Ducati doesnt exactly make it rain when it comes to their warranty either. I think thats a pretty lame reason to make a switch. My 1199 burned up fairings, had the foggy dash, leaky valve guide covers, crank sensor, loose exhaust shield etc etc. Having a reputable shop and a good relationship with the service department served me well with that bike but not everything was approved the first time around.

I will say that the amount of broken, burned up parts on that bike did play a role in my switching to the Ape though. Ive owned a few ducs and the 1199 was definitely the most temperamental. Very curious to see what happens with the new bike.

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murphc13

01-31-2018, 02:06 AM

My ‘fanboy’ comment earlier in the thread was made due to reading various silly(IMO) ‘reasons’ to ‘defect’ to the Ducati V4.
Its like some guys are giving reasons to switch like warranty issues not getting resolved(my experience with Aprilia is excellent BTW) etc etc.
Bottom line is when a new product comes out some guys get horny as hell and that’s ok.
We all have a degree of this going on whether it’s .0000000001 or 100.
A newer product isn’t always gonna be ‘better’ though.
So please guys drop the excuses and just go to Ducati if that’s where your heart lies.
There will be plenty of us happy with our V4 and even V2 Aprilias.
I for one cant wait for Spring to spin a wheel in my new RF
Murph.

SK-RSV4

01-31-2018, 04:41 PM

My brother had issues with Ducati warranties being honoured - it depends more on how the dealer supports you I think.

I've had 3 RSV4's now, call me a fanboy if you want as I am always singing their praises - but thats because I've had dozens of bikes in 30 years of riding (over 12 in the last 8 years alone) and in my opinion it is just such a great sports bike, all round - brakes, engine, suspension, only needs a few personal tweeks and its ready to rock
My 2016 R1 has cost me ££££'s and I am still playing with setup, its a great bike but doesn't have the quality and finish of the Aprilia.

I never got on with the Duc's of old, but maybe the switch to the V4 will make it more useable - I won't defect I am keeping my RF ! but if by some miracle I can afford another bike next year or 2020 I am tempted

V4Missile

01-31-2018, 07:36 PM

I am sure the Duke V4 will be a great bike. We are absolutely spoilt for choice with some of the best handling, most responsive bikes ever. Sure, I would like the Suzuki designers to be more adventurous, the Kawi to have more mid range horses, that's why I buy a thou! But the Yamaha and Ducati do it for me too. The Aprilia '13 RSV4 I have ticks every box for me, and is faster than I will ever be. Incidently, my first 2010 Ape was a little out of warranty when I took it to the dealer for the getting into neutral problem, and it was approved straight away. That would have been very easy for the factory to turn down, but they stood by their product.

murphc13

01-31-2018, 11:46 PM

I have to agree with everything you’ve said here mate.
So true on all accounts.

mikef4uk

02-01-2018, 04:51 AM

I think just about any of the modern 'sportsbikes' are 'pretty darn good' the only real improvements in going for the latest version is in the electronic refinement as that seems to be the area where progress is made, just take the latest RF as an example, new dash, new ecu, new up/down QS/cruise control!

I know from my 2010 BMW S1000RR that would wheelie then slam the front back down and TC that would just near enough shut the throttle with any slide to my (now 2 yr old R1M, so that must be getting long in the tooth electronics wise!) that you just dont feel the intervention at all and it will perform the same precise wheelie no matter what the reason for the wheelie time after time and through the gears, modern bikes will only get better and better in this area :)

Cars are also in the same 'development area' just look at the likes of a Golf R, adaptive cruise control that keeps the same distance even down to stop and start type traffic plus 'lane assist' that keeps the car within white lines....................you could nearky take 10 minutes shut eye and arrive at work refreshed :eek:

Micah / AF1 Racing

02-01-2018, 08:25 AM

Reflashed 17 R1 with Austin Racing pipe going up on dyno today, should be interesting to see what they really make.

comfysofa

02-01-2018, 08:32 AM

Interesting comments....ive got the "old one" and while ive not got anywhere near the amount of dosh to put down on even a standard v4s im still happy with mine and as you say Dave "mine'll be more than enough for me..." i agree here too. If aynthing ill just carry on honing and learning on what ive got....going over to the USA next year and ill be f*cked if i dont come back with a set of NIX30's evenly distributed in 2 suitcases and a TTX in my hand luggage...

The RSV4 IMO is "the v4" - ive not come across anything yet that beats it - for me, the icing on the cake is the noise...having said that id like to hear a duc v4 in the flesh with a full system on.

I really cant see the point of the 1100 - to me that screams " well, it probably might make about the same as current crop but weve got to stand out" a bit of a cop out with an 1100 lump....

As for the v4 streetfighter....im more a fan of naked bikes but, if KHI decide to come out with a h2 powered z1000 i think thats where id be looking as that'll be....well, f*cking bonkers...

Diablo1

02-01-2018, 09:04 AM

The Ducati twin pulse firing order is interesting, and may be good for drive and traction, but the RSV4 has a much better exhaust note. The Ducati drones.

mikef4uk

02-01-2018, 10:36 AM

The Ducati twin pulse firing order is interesting, and may be good for drive and traction, but the RSV4 has a much better exhaust note. The Ducati drones.

^^ Yes, i'm with you 100%, part of the character of 'my bikes' (and cars I guess) is the exhaust note, the Ducati V4 just doesnt sound very good, as some have said it still sounds like a twin

OlliW

02-02-2018, 01:32 AM

I think the new Pani V4 is an interesting bike for sure but because of the pricing structure in Finland I don´t see myself buying any kind of Ducati in the near future.
Aprilia is very competitively priced here, RF about the same price as base level Blade and Yam R1.
Besides, I just traded in my 2016 RF for a 2017 RF (had a good deal on an unsold one right before christmas)

paulmm600

02-02-2018, 04:02 AM

The RSV4 IMO is "the v4" - ive not come across anything yet that beats it - for me, the icing on the cake is the noise...having said that id like to hear a duc v4 in the flesh with a full system on.

I really cant see the point of the 1100 - to me that screams " well, it probably might make about the same as current crop but weve got to stand out" a bit of a cop out with an 1100 lump....

As for the v4 streetfighter....im more a fan of naked bikes but, if KHI decide to come out with a h2 powered z1000 i think thats where id be looking as that'll be....well, f*cking bonkers...

I'm a big fan of 1100, i think the ape should be too or even 1200, if we get more midrange, more top end ponies and a less stressed engine, it sounds good to me.

comfysofa

02-02-2018, 04:11 AM

I'm a big fan of 1100, i think the ape should be too or even 1200, if we get more midrange, more top end ponies and a less stressed engine, it sounds good to me.

I disagree - based on that - where do you stop? Theres a regulation size of a litre for racing. Thats keeps the competition alive and in turn keep manufacturers on their toes with regards to development of the displacement available.

mikef4uk

02-02-2018, 05:26 AM

I'm with Paul on this one comfy, Aprilia can still make a 'special' 1000cc bike for racing etc, but as Paul said we can get all the benefits we already have and more with a slightly larger engine, in theory an 1100 (or 1070 like the TV4) RSV4 should give 7% more torque/power throughout the rev range, that's just about another 14hp at the top end plus the increased mid range as well :)

And I dont know where we stop to be honest, the main thing allowing these incredible figures are the modern day electronics correcting your demands from the engine to the maximum the tyres will allow I guess?

Remember when a 65hp Kawasaki 750 H2 two stroke seemed far too much power?

comfysofa

02-02-2018, 05:44 AM

Remember when a 65hp Kawasaki 750 H2 two stroke seemed far too much power?

Yeah - but (playing devils advocate here) - theres that something about knowing that at its very base - y'kind of using what they (competitive racers) are using....i can understand going 1100 on the nakeds - with nakeds - anything goes etc etc so thats fine...but, for that 7% isnt decent fueling/mapping a much better option? i can see where your coming from but i prefer the liter size....if, the panigale v4 came out at a liter with those figures....hey - that'd be something....

Mr.J

02-02-2018, 05:52 AM

Reflashed 17 R1 with Austin Racing pipe going up on dyno today, should be interesting to see what they really make.

I had a 16 some time ago with YEC and Arrow linkpipe with can and it was pretty strong, had about 3-4hp more than the strongest RSV4 I have ever tested.

Micah / AF1 Racing

02-02-2018, 08:59 AM

The R1 on our Mustang dyno delivered a legit 156.5 rwhp at about 13,500 and maintained that number to 14,000. Midrange didn't seem particularly impressive. This newer R1 though is indeed up a legit 15-20 bhp over its older version of the crossplane crank and overall a much smaller feeling bike. This was with Austin Racing 1/2 system and ecu unleashed reflash getting rid of high rpm torque limiting. Interesting but not mind numbing power. It's simply amazing how much hit ALL of the newer 1000cc supersport bikes have.

Mr.J

02-02-2018, 10:41 AM

2015 RSV4 compared to the 2016 R1, great midrange of the Yamaha.

Sonny112

02-02-2018, 10:53 AM

Is that a stock 15 RSV4?

T Davidsson

02-03-2018, 03:01 AM

Is that a stock 15 RSV4?

Slip-on and gabro race ecu if i remember right.

stan1

02-03-2018, 07:59 AM

Strong R1 on the dyno.

Slip-on and gabro race ecu if i remember right.

SK-RSV4

02-04-2018, 12:43 PM

I rode a Ducati V4S today - its going to be something else on track I can tell you, as a road bike it still suffers from the worst of Ducati traits at lower RPM below 6000 but above 6500 it is an incredible engine and the way it accelerates is nothing like the outgoing 1299, it is so much more controlled and doesn't try to throw its head in the air & kill you.
It is surprisingly comfortable too, it was quite cold at around 4 to 5 C but didn't feel any heat issues under the seat either.

Is it worth trading my 17 RSV4 in for one - no, definitely not considering the PX value, is it worth £4K more than a new RSV4 or R1M - again no I honestly don't think so - unless you are a Ducati fan.

would I have one if I could afford one and didn't already have an RSV4 - Yes, oh yes, I would !!

Niggles - Sidestand is utter crap, whoever designed it needs shooting - there is a small knob you need to kick out but its incredible awkward with boots on and you'll end up scuffing the bellypan.
Low speed engine is rough and the gearbox is notchy too
Tank side / frame spar feels strange against the thigh and is not as comfortable as the RSV4 or R1 or any of the others to be honest.
Menu system isn't as clear as I was hoping on the dash but the dash itself is really neat

cavlino

02-05-2018, 04:26 PM

would I have one if I could afford one and didn't already have an RSV4 - Yes, oh yes, I would !!

the 1st 20 minutes I didn't gel with it, from then on for the next hour I was wishing I was on track somewhere warm - its a real grower.
Be prepared for the reviews praising this for the next year ! 1100cc RSV4 next please !
Thanks for your comment on your test ride. I'm on the BMW S1000RR, Ducati V4 or Aprilia RSV4 hunt so this was useful information for me.

I have had way too many bikes in the past and can't seem to keep one longer then a year... well I did keep my first Triumph Daytona T595 for a few years... Okay enough... sorry for getting carried away here...

SK-RSV4

02-05-2018, 05:47 PM

Thanks for your comment on your test ride. I'm on the BMW S1000RR, Ducati V4 or Aprilia RSV4 hunt so this was useful information for me.

Ha ha, no worries :-) I have also had loads of bikes, they have to be special for me to keep long as well.
My brother has an S1000rr and to be honest it is ok & fast once revved up but lacks any character - it feels old compared to the rest, I think you would be disappointed if you rode one alongside an RSV4 or Panigale V4.
It comes down to personal taste but if you want a bike to make you feel special the RSV4 or Panigale V4 will do that so its a choice based on colour or money !

I have spent half my day thinking of how I can raise £24K and buy one without causing a divorce !

cavlino

02-05-2018, 05:55 PM

I have spent half my day thinking of how I can raise £24K and buy one without causing a divorce !

My concerns with the BMW are exactly what you described and for those of us that change bikes often unless they really speak to us what you say speaks volumes to me! So I will rule out the BMW :) Thanks for your input! :)

mikef4uk

02-06-2018, 05:15 PM

I have spent half my day thinking of how I can raise £24K and buy one without causing a divorce !

I also owned a S1000RR, v quick at the time (2010) still quick now, but once that 'quickness' wears off there's nothing left, as you say, lacks character, with my TV4 Factory and R1M at least there's the exhaust note to keep me amused :)

I probably took a 20 hp dive when I swapped to the RSV4 in 2011, but still liked it more

cavlino

02-06-2018, 05:51 PM

I probably took a 20 hp dive when I swapped to the RSV4 in 2011, but still liked it more

Thank you for helping confirm what I thought may happen to me if I got yet another BMW versus going back to an Italian like the Aprilia or even the Ducati. Grazie!

lukeeye

02-06-2018, 06:42 PM

I heard through the grape vine we are getting a fresh superbike from aprilia in 2019... I'd say be patient lads- don't blow the wad on a fresh V4 Ducati which has yet to go through real world testing. JMHO

Prospected

02-06-2018, 07:01 PM

Only bike I'd consider dropping my Ape for would be the R1. 35lbs lighter, Big Bang motor, long valve service, and it handles just as good with ohlins.

mikef4uk

02-07-2018, 12:55 PM

Only bike I'd consider dropping my Ape for would be the R1. 35lbs lighter, Big Bang motor, long valve service, and it handles just as good with ohlins.

You need to do a little more to the R1 than you would to an RSV4, an ecu 'flash' is just about mandatory, R1 is also slightly more 'uncomfortable' than RSV4, I switched the bars out on mine for some with less angle in them, mines R1M so already on Ohlins, in my opnion electronics are better than Aprilia, the problem with that is you start to lean on them too much, overall a good bike though

Gluge

02-07-2018, 04:35 PM

I was super tempted by an R1 but the brakes & fueling needing a reflash pushed me to an Aprilia. I would have liked to have ridden a flashed R1 though to compare.

SK-RSV4

02-07-2018, 05:00 PM

Mike is absolutely right IMO, the R1M is the only Japanese bike to have that character - I liked it so much I traded my Daytona 675R track bike for one last August, is is an amazing bike and looks, feels & sounds special when you ride it. Also very true is the fact it is flawed, the FI & throttle mapping flash HAS to be done, brakes need work, it did'nt have a blipper (well they now do for 2018) the lightweight Magnesium alloy wheels are not in fact that light ! also the ohlins suspension , although very very good also needs some tweeks, the bike is slow on initial turn in and overall it isn't as polished as the RSV4, Ohlins have a suspension race upgrade kit which is next on my list. But after all that I bloody well love it !

Interesting Aprilia may have a new RSV4 coming, maybe an 1100 after all the new Tuono and the new V4 Ducati all have disregarded the 1000CC mark.
It would be nice to see a new one thats 10KG lighter and have slide control etc.

mikef4uk

02-07-2018, 06:01 PM

haha! yes, forgot to mention the brakes, jumpimg from Ape to R1 would have me entering stuff far too quick when it didnt stop as expected and jumping the other way would have the front pogo'ing due to the initial 'bite' of the Ape brakes, a set of Brembo SC pads in the Yamaha brought the two bikes closer on braking

Gluge

02-07-2018, 06:09 PM

I hope they don't go 1100cc. It's probably just me but I don't want more power. my dream ape would be a lighter but still full spec $$ 600cc V4 version with slide control etc. Maybe they'll at least keep it 1000cc though.

Sonny112

02-07-2018, 06:35 PM

I personally hope they bump to 1100. I’m not racing, more power!

mikef4uk

02-07-2018, 06:43 PM

Dont forget the 1100 Tuono motor is 'only' 1070cc maybe thats it's limit? it would still be giving over 30cc to the Ducati

stu_h

02-07-2018, 08:09 PM

I was super tempted by an R1 but the brakes & fueling needing a reflash pushed me to an Aprilia. I would have liked to have ridden a flashed R1 though to compare.

I bought a 2016 one cheap , as my RSV aged, and it took a little tweaking but its brakes and fuelling are now top notch, I love the ease you map the aprilia, but with a good tune the R1 is running great (woolich tune)

Brakes I just changed to a known Pad like i use in the RSV and its great , no problems at all.

. Also very true is the fact it is flawed, the FI & throttle mapping flash HAS to be done, brakes need work, it did'nt have a blipper (well they now do for 2018) the lightweight Magnesium alloy wheels are not in fact that light ! also the ohlins suspension , although very very good also needs some tweeks, the bike is slow on initial turn in and overall it isn't as polished as the RSV4, Ohlins have a suspension race upgrade kit which is next on my list. But after all that I bloody well love it !

Yeah that echoes my experience with the changeover also, I got the base model R1 and put Ktech in it , with fork extenders, (ohlins forks are longer that the KYB on the base model) so we could re-balance the bike.
It now rides just as well as my RSV4

EricD

02-07-2018, 10:37 PM

I'm on my 3rd RSV4 Factory (2010, 2013, 2017) and I happen to own a 2016 R1. I've tracked all these bikes extensively and in my personal opinion, the R1 is garbage if you're going to keep it stock. I don't really like to mess with bikes, I find that I have less problem if I just put good tires on things and ride them as they came from the factory, however, the current generation R1 is completely useless on track if you don't do a lot to it.

I'm far from the fastest guy out there, but the stock front end feels like its made out of wood, the stock brakes fade after 2 laps, ... RSV4s in comparison are a dream to ride stock. They feel very precise, easy to ride, they go where you want them to go, fantastic under braking.

Don't get me wrong, I have a bunch of friends who have tricked out R1s for the track and absolutely love them, but it didn't feel that way until the bikes were modified to suit. In fact, my R1 is going up for sale in a couple of weeks, I just don't even want to pull it out of the trailer anymore.

stan1

02-07-2018, 11:19 PM

I love my 15 R1, and my 17RSV4 RR. All of mine been moded big time. Who keeps their's motorcycle stock???

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Diablo1

02-08-2018, 09:34 AM

Since Aprilia spent 25 million euros developing the RSV4, I wonder if they can afford to develop a totally new super bike. Perhaps it will be more incremental improvements to the current bike? I wonder if they can incorporate technology developed on the RS-GP, like counter-rotating crank and different cylinder angle (still secret). The obvious trend is to keep making advances with the electronics, as its more bang for the buck and can be shared across the entire product line including Moto Guzzi etc.

Mr.J

02-08-2018, 01:29 PM

Dont forget the 1100 Tuono motor is 'only' 1070cc maybe thats it's limit? it would still be giving over 30cc to the Ducati

81mm is not the limit of the design but maybe on the customers thoughts about service and maintenence ;-)

Diablo1

02-08-2018, 01:48 PM

When the RSV4 was first released, Aprilia’s design engineer said the V4 had the bore spacing to grow to 1200cc.

dellabad

02-08-2018, 03:20 PM

I do not see the duc v4 a threat for the aprilia v4 engine yet, I think solution is already in Aprilia stores. I read something about Gabro and a 1100 hybrid with rf heads, if I am not wrong, said that power output was in +10% from std rf engine, which is similar to new ducati v4 figures.

To me, which is the challenge for the new Aprilia, is the package. The duc v4 design is completely different from Aprilia rugged design standards (unchanged since the rsv times). On the other hand, the duc is minimalist, with less is more mind, which results in a lighter and compact bike.

Sonny112

02-08-2018, 03:39 PM

It was also easier for Ducati to justify more major design changes as many people have expressed issues w/ the 1199/1299 “chassis” design vs. the RSV4 chassis which has always been a sweet spot for the bike.

Racer X

02-09-2018, 03:25 PM

https://youtu.be/9QMTINxRXLU

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V4Missile

02-09-2018, 04:00 PM

81mm is not the limit of the design.....

This guy loves to tease us!

paulmm600

02-10-2018, 05:25 AM

When the RSV4 was first released, Aprilia’s design engineer said the V4 had the bore spacing to grow to 1200cc.

Go to 1200 i say and revise the engine so it can go to 1400

Mr.J

02-10-2018, 08:53 AM

This guy loves to tease us!

Yep ;-)

SK-RSV4

02-10-2018, 02:04 PM

EricD: Thats spooky I also had a 2010, 2013 and now a 2017 RSV4 !!

To me the current power output is really enough so no need to go to 1100CC, Ducati have pushed the envelope to grab headlines so others are likely to follow.
I love the handling & stability of my RSV4 along with the character and in my personal experience all my bikes have been very reliable too.
Diablo is right we can definitely expect more advancements in electronics but it really does now need to lose a few KG to compete, a lithium battery and a race pipe puts it back in the ball park of the rest of the 1000's but its not really enough.

Looking at the comparisons with the competition its right up there on power, regularly puts in the fastest lap times on group tests, it has a fantastic frame with all round adjustability, quality components and quality of finish is right up there too. It's now in its 9th year with just engine & electronics mods so that goes to show how good a job they did with the first design. Considering how much I've spent sorting the R1M the RSV4 is a bargain, its brilliant right out of the crate

So losing some weight and adding slide control are probably be the main updates we'll see. maybe adding VVT as per the suzuki GSXR1000 which is a great engine, but then thats probably adding more weight???

Riding the Ducati V4 then my 2017 RSV4 RF the weight, especially the amount of effort needed to get the bike to turn was really noticeable, my RSV4 is more stable but not by much
YEs - LESS WEIGHT please Aprilia !

mikef4uk

02-10-2018, 02:19 PM

Ducati V4 Curb weight is 198kg, not sure how much fuel
Yamaha R1M is 201kg with full fuel tank
Aprilia RSV4 I have found at 208kg wet

A little caution is required with the weights as sometimes it's a general production bike they weigh and other times they 'cheat' by taking all the lower weight tolerances of each part and adding them together!

Dry weight can also mean no battery/fork oil/ shock oil/motor oil/fuel/engine coolant :eek:

Only real way is a group test and 5 litres of fuel in each bike :)

rsnet

02-10-2018, 03:21 PM

I’m with Mike,
The weights felt on a ride are very subjective, I don’t think most can feel the weight alone.

Tyres, pressures and geometry setup have many influences.

Std R1 the forks are too short or setup over the front, much better balanced bike the R1M, it’s not just the Ohlins, go compare the two back to back

my RSV4 has a generally high setup, so the center of gravity is high compared to a standard setup, also the wheel base is a little longer.

so the high setup gives us the turn in speed, and the swinging arm length gives us stability under hard accelerating.

I tested the Factory demo ‘17 RSV4’s at the circuit, and they gave us a base setting that was pretty good out’of The garage, however they did say afterward that the road bikes will not be setup like this.

so first impressions can be misleading.

I like to look in the paddock at competitors machines as to how far they go from standard « rules permitting »to achieve the results.

EricD

02-11-2018, 12:33 AM

This weight conversation feels like beating a dead horse. We've been having it for years and we keep wishing Aprilia made an RSV4 that was 20lbs (or whatever your number is) lighter.

People keep discussing the weight differences between bikes and how it's not that much, but as many other on this forum, I own both and I ride both on track, on the same day, with the same tires and can tell the R1 is lighter even though the RSV4 hides its weight really well once you're going. I still can only imagine how it would ride if it was lighter. I've had full titanium systems on my 2013 and my 2017, and lithium race batteries, and yes it help, but I could do the same mods to the R1 and make it even lighter.

Only time will tell.

Back to the original topic, I'm definitely considering buying a new Panigale V4, but as an addition to my RSV4, not a replacement. I'm probably going to wait a year though, get the production kinks out and let any big recall happen (should one need to happen).

SK-RSV4

02-11-2018, 08:52 AM

I just went for a ride on my R1M - full Akrapovic, lithium battery, OZ wheels, it feels quite a lot lighter than my 2017 RSV4 :-) its a mental bike !!

I am with you on that EricD - I want a Ducati too, but 1: I cannot afford one yet & 2: I'd like to see it running for a year or 2 to de-bug it as well.
oh, and number 3: my wife would KILL me if I spent another £24K on a bike right now !!!! LOL

cavlino

02-11-2018, 09:52 AM

This weight conversation feels like beating a dead horse. We've been having it for years and we keep wishing Aprilia made an RSV4 that was 20lbs (or whatever your number is) lighter.

Only time will tell.

I just went for a ride on my R1M - full Akrapovic, lithium battery, OZ wheels, it feels quite a lot lighter than my 2017 RSV4 :-) its a mental bike !!

I am leaning towards a 2017/2018 RSV4 RR/RF or the V4 Base.

My main concern currently is seat height, I am 5 foot 5 inches, any other vertically challenged folks riding the Aprilia?

I think both bikes have a lot to offer. On the looks side which I know is 100% subjective for me the V4 wins.

The fact that the Aprilia is a refined model versus a new beginning for Ducati with the V4 for the road is cause for some concern, mainly due to the potential down time during the short riding season that I have due to where I live.

Both bike would be primarily for back road riding to the cottage which is 200km away and full of great riding roads but I am also about 100km away from a great race track that I have experience on with a Car but never with a Motorcycle so its high on my list to try it out :)

Hmm, here I go again, on-and-on, sorry I just can't help it, is there back space button or delete button on this keyboard somewhere...

andyandtherman

02-11-2018, 10:57 AM

One thing we often overlook is our weight. I'm a gym owner/meathead who weighs 220+, so does it really make a difference if I save a couple of pounds here or there? Likely not... :lol:

Diablo1

02-11-2018, 11:07 AM

One thing we often overlook is our weight. I'm a gym owner/meathead who weighs 220+, so does it really make a difference if I save a couple of pounds here or there? Likely not... :lol:

I have a buddy with a Hayabusa, and he outweighs me by around 70 lbs. His Busa outweighs my Tuono by 100 lbs. He likes to tell me that his bike makes more power than mine. One of these days, I’ll explain power/weight to him.

Ricardo J

02-11-2018, 11:46 AM

rsnet

02-11-2018, 12:35 PM

Light weight has its own drawbacks, of course, like bikes that cannot survive crashes without requiring extensive (and expensive!) repairs. The guys at GMD Computrack in Los Angeles said that certain motorcycles have such lightly built frames that straightening them is impossible after all but the easiest low-sides. Those bikes (some R6s, for example) often required a frame REPLACEMENT. Heavier bikes, like the ZX-7R, could be straightened in the chassis jig if in fact they needed any tweaking at all.
Ricardo, you reminded me of this, a frame with license paper for a Panigale 1299 second hand.
351257Either way, my V4 should arrive at Ducati this week. I am quite confident in the product as Ducati have been building V4s since before Aprilia, I have a 2008 RR desmo, cant believe its so old Now.

Urban K.

02-28-2018, 06:56 AM

https://www.moto.it/prove/1000-supersportive-2018-aprilia-rsv4rf-vs-ducati-panigale-v4s-vs-yamaha-yzf-r1m.html

(Use google translate function)

Sawdust

03-02-2018, 03:01 AM

Just registered to reply to this topic.
Having 20 years of sifting through Japanese sportbikes and a few ducs as well as a few buell cause I have a soft spot for the little engine that couldnt.
there is no reasonable arguement for buying a v4. The only potential logical sales will be to Ducati fanboys. Hands down its got nothing on bmws r1000rr or the rsv4. In even the best potential of all three it comes up lacking. And on street riding, why choose a wanna be thats missing even rudimentary details both bmw and Aprilia have with comfort. Granted, its often overlooked but cruise control is standard for both, the power is far above what any of the three will ever be needed or used. And flat out even the bmw is cheaper out the door with better service..

i just came back back from an unveiling of the v4 tonight. What little excitement for it came from fan boys who only saw red... the rest of the crowd was wondering why....to be fair the only thing it actually offers is no cruise control and another 5k for a sore wrist... which is kinda sad cause it negates owners from being able to rub one off looking at it in thier garages, with the door down and lights slow, while sobbing cause they know they should have gotten an Rsv4...

ducati1098s

03-02-2018, 03:19 AM

Im shocked that Ducati built a V4 and decided to make it sound like a v twin. For me the noise the bike makes is a major pleasure and the RSV is the best sounding bike Ive ever ridden. Ive had several v twins and the RSV4 absolutely trounces them in terms of the noise they make. For that reason the Duc leaves me absolutely cold.

OlliW

03-02-2018, 03:43 AM

I checked some youtube evaluations by 44teeth of the Pani V4.
Seems to be a nice bike, though not a gamechanger like some journos would like us to believe.
Made ca 8 hp more on their dyno than the RSV4.
That´s down to the "cheater" 1100 engine I think.

Pegasus82

03-02-2018, 05:54 AM

Scuttlebutt, straight from someone well respected within Piaggio, Aprilia already have the new RSV4 engine being tested in a current RF mule, no more information than that.

paulmm600

03-02-2018, 06:04 AM

Scuttlebutt, straight from someone well respected within Piaggio, Aprilia already have the new RSV4 engine being tested in a current RF mule, no more information than that.

We knew they'd hit back, no doubt they'll nail again as usual.

stan1

03-02-2018, 07:37 AM

Guys,

Please look below;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=cnPf0zIZbsQ

The new Yamaha R1M won the shootout and the Ducati came in second, and our wonderful RSV4 came in third.

If you want to buy the best Superbike skip over the Duc, it's not worth 31K otd for the s model. Just buy a 2018 R1M for 23 otd.

Stan

Micah / AF1 Racing

03-02-2018, 08:41 AM

First time in a while I've watched a bike test video longer than a few minutes. Very pleased with this review though as usual I have a few questions on preferences vs hard data. The Ducati looks to be a beast likely limited a bit from the factory with a little room to grow, having ridden the R1 and R1M (though not 2018 models yet) I have to note, if they were testing USA spec bikes the built in mapping restrictions on the Yamaha would not have allowed for its speed or corner exit brutality. I get to ride the latest from Aprilia constantly and it really is true when they say you can tell it was designed as a race machine and then made street legal, what has blown me away about the Aprilia since 2009/10 with the intro of the non APRC V4 has been the chassis, now the motor is up to even, or better than most of the direct competitors it is still the chassis that amazes me. It's quite true what they say in the review about all the electronic rider aides. They are making leaps and bounds improvements here almost yearly, and despite being raised on carburetor equipped bikes with leaded fuels, these new e-nannies really are the only way to even remotely safely control a modern sports bike with a motor pushing 200 bhp in a 200 kilo wet package.

That video just cost me the price of a track day this year I think. Great video production, great review.

Turder

03-02-2018, 08:55 AM

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FfmogF7cLk)https://www.moto.it/prove/1000-supersportive-2018-aprilia-rsv4rf-vs-ducati-panigale-v4s-vs-yamaha-yzf-r1m.html

(Use google translate function)

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FfmogF7cLk)Their review on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FfmogF7cLk
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FfmogF7cLk)
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FfmogF7cLk)

Basscadet

03-03-2018, 12:15 PM

There is a Ducati demo day at my local dealer and was invited to come ride the new V4. Honestly I was tempted but everything I have read about this bike just turns me off to it.

Bash Hat

03-03-2018, 12:38 PM

Yep, there’s a demo day at a dealer close by me too but I’ve no real desire to go. I’m sure it’s a fantastic bike but two things turn me off. First is the engine note. Why they made a V4 sound like a V-Twin I don’t understand, and second the styling looks uninspired/cheap, especially the side fairings. I loved the old Panigale styling but this new one doesn’t give me the goose bumps. Think I’ll start saving now for the new Aprilia V4 if that rumor is true!

murphc13

03-03-2018, 01:05 PM

I don’t think it sounds like a v twin atall.
I do think the styling isn’t as nice as the original Pani and in red it looks cheap.
Our RSV4 s are much nicer everywhere.
Im happy to be with Aprilia.

CIAO 70

03-03-2018, 02:23 PM

352588

Best looking Duc in my opinion.

Of course this was before I bought my '17 RSV.

I haven't ridden my RSV more than 10 miles due to weather but I am definitely missing the low RPM torque that the Duc V-twin offered.

I'm sure once I get used to the different powerband I'll be happy with it.

No way I'd go for a new Ducati. V4 or otherwise.

JMHO

jmrk

03-05-2018, 05:23 PM

So far, I've seen 2 dyno test results - 198 and 202. If these repeat, and it seems that they will, this is enough to spark some solid improvements for all of the competitors!

Whitney151

03-05-2018, 06:30 PM

Agreed. I had an SP for a while. Miss that bike. \\

Ducati engineers "Hey - lets put all 98/ftlb of torque at 8,000 rpm. You know - for corner exit."

That bike was an absolute monster and the traction control was like walking a pitbull with silk floss.

dcboy

03-05-2018, 07:09 PM

Walking a pit bull with silk floss. Very clever Whitney !

1969

03-05-2018, 08:34 PM

Us die hard Honda fans have been waiting for a new (production) V4 for how long?

I'd given up hope. Actually that is why I bought the RSV4 in the first place back in 2013.

At least I still own an awesome slice of Honda V4 history.

352717

Now, I believe Ducati will be the premium V4 flag bearers for years to come. Unless Aprilia has something big in the pipeline.

PRC001

03-06-2018, 12:12 AM

A lot of interviews with Ducati have said their V4 will find it's way into more bikes..............................

Once it gets into a naked version I cant help thinking that the Tuono Factory 1100 may be relegated to an unfamiliar step on the podium :mad:

Long live the king, but the king is dead. RSV4, that is.

I spent most of Sunday on the V4S and covered over 400km on every type of road imaginable. I honestly didnt want to like the bike but just couldnt ignore or pass up the opportunity to spend time on the new V4. Going back to a sport bike from spending so long with mandlebars, just wasnt a thought I was relishing.

OMG... Ducati have moved the goal post so far beyond the boundaries of the current playing field, its insane. And, what really pissed me off, is that here in SA they have priced the bike so damn well, its a bargain. ZAR15,000.00 (USD1,250.00) more than those greedy f*ckwit arseholes at Cayenne have priced the RSV4 RF. And way cheaper than an R1M. ITS A NO BRAINER!

Everything, seriously (bar one little niggle), was just superb. Ergonomics, functionality, rideability, dash, menus - all superb. The latest Ohlins package, the new Brembo set-up and that motor just entice you to wring its neck at every opportunity. Its addictive.

The niggle... at cruising speed there is a very annoying vibration in the clip-ons and levers that make your hands and fingers (I grew up on 2strokes so a couple of fingers on the brake and clutch lever are still engrained) go a bit numb. Can probably be sorted.

Yes, it sounds like their twin at idle and low speeds. But once shes up and running and all hell breaks loose with a fabulous V4 exhaust note, its just superb.

Would I buy one? Yes. But being the old bugger that I am, Id like to see if they do a naked version as that would be first choice. If not, then a V4S will be in the garage.

stan1

03-06-2018, 07:28 AM

PRC001

How is the V4S cheaper than the RSV4 RF and R1M? The MSRP pricing of the V4S is way more.

Stan

Long live the king, but the king is dead. RSV4, that is.

I spent most of Sunday on the V4S and covered over 400km on every type of road imaginable. I honestly didn’t want to like the bike but just couldn’t ignore or pass up the opportunity to spend time on the new V4. Going back to a sport bike from spending so long with mandlebars, just wasn’t a thought I was relishing.

OMG... Ducati have moved the goal post so far beyond the boundaries of the current playing field, it’s insane. And, what really pissed me off, is that here in SA they have priced the bike so damn well, it’s a bargain. ZAR15,000.00 (USD1,250.00) more than those greedy f*ckwit arseholes at Cayenne have priced the RSV4 RF. And way cheaper than an R1M. ITS A NO BRAINER!

Yes, it sounds like their twin at idle and low speeds. But once she’s up and running and all hell breaks loose with a fabulous V4 exhaust note, it’s just superb.

Would I buy one? Yes. But being the old bugger that I am, I’d like to see if they do a naked version as that would be first choice. If not, then a V4S will be in the garage.

amok

03-06-2018, 07:41 AM

I love the new Duc. Don’t love the price but hey I wouldn’t buy one anyway with a Tuono sitting in my garage.

Turder

03-06-2018, 07:43 AM

How is the V4S cheaper than the RSV4 RF and R1M? The MSRP pricing of the V4S is way more.

Factories must offer bikes at different rates to different countries or importer has better deal etc? But there are some strange differences when you compare several bikes in different countries. For instance RSV4 RR is about the cheapest superbike you can buy in Finland (base model GSX-R is only few hundred euros cheaper). In other countries it's definitely not the cheapest. Or in the UK, Ducati has very competitive pricing but over here they are really expensive.

OlliW

03-06-2018, 08:04 AM

This is one of the reasons I have never really considered "defecting" from Aprilia to Ducati.
IMO, when I have a V4RF, I have a bike that is at least as good as a Panigale S but at about € 10.000,- lower price.
I expect the new V4 Pani to be a very good bike but not a gamechanger, at least not for me personally.
Also, and this is highly subjective, I am a bit turned off from Ducati because of the kind of "lifestyle" image they seem to have.

PRC001

03-06-2018, 08:45 AM

PRC001

How is the V4S cheaper than the RSV4 RF and R1M? The MSRP pricing of the V4S is way more.

Stan

Hey Stan

We have a strange situation here in SA. It's as bad as the old wild west in the old days. Our importers sometimes make no sense at all and because our currency can be volatile they usually take good advantage of that... when the ZAR goes down (far too often) they push up prices and blame it on the currency. However, when the ZAR strengthens, as it has done recently (we finally got rid of our thieving ex President Zuma), do you think they'll correct the pricing? NO!

The importer of Ducati is a very smart and savy guy who's companies also import other vehicles such as Porsche. He's clever, meticulous and does things right. He also just happens to have used the currency to his advantage without being greedy - hence the new Ducati pricing. On the other hand, you have the greedy bastard that imports Aprilia and he's just taking the piss as his operation is the importer and the retailer so getting it from both ends. Having had direct experience with this guy I can honestly say that he is a twat - he'd rather try and ripe me off with a crazy profit that others would kill for, rather than making good profit, which others would kill for.

The V4S is approx USD1,250 more than the RSV4 RF and USD400 cheaper than a standard R1. Now go figure, who's the clever bugger here and who's going to sell every bike they can get their hands on right now??

And, just as a bye line... the Aprilia outlet here in Cape Town doesn't have the tools to do the job when servicing V4s - FACT: they don't have a puller to take off flywheels... they don't have any of the correct tools to do valve adjustments.
The Ducati set-up is completely different. Clean, state of the art workshop with 2 of every conceivable tool that they could ever need.
Nuff said.

stan1

03-06-2018, 01:01 PM

Thanks for breaking this down for us. I see why you say that they offer a good deal vs the others.

Here in the US, Ducati wants to screw everyone over here, which makes me sick. They only want to sell at MSRP, and plus setup and freight. For a V4s out the door price for me in the state of Virginia, is 31k. No way I'm going to pay 31k, plus mods I usually buy an aftermarket exhaust (4k). Makes no sense to me.

They won't get my business unless they change their pricing model.

Hey Stan

EricD

03-06-2018, 02:06 PM

It seems like everyone that has ridden one is loving it so far. I'm still waiting for any of the numerous local dealerships to have one on the floor so I can sit on it and get a feel for the ergonomics before I pull the trigger and add it to the garage. I love to bring 2 bikes to the track to ride different things and develop different abilities / strengths, but I'm just done with the R1 and would love to replace it with a second italian V4.

As many have said, in the US, Ducati pricing is absurd though. You could get 2 RFs OTD for the same price as a Speciale. Somehow though, they sell out every year. I don't know how people do it, they must allocate a much larger % of their income to motorcycles than I do, or all these bikes are under water.

Sonny112

03-06-2018, 03:02 PM

Things are worth as much as people will pay for them.

mikef4uk

03-06-2018, 03:46 PM

Long live the king, but the king is dead. RSV4, that is.

Yes, it sounds like their twin at idle and low speeds. But once she’s up and running and all hell breaks loose with a fabulous V4 exhaust note, it’s just superb.

Would I buy one? Yes. But being the old bugger that I am, I’d like to see if they do a naked version as that would be first choice. If not, then a V4S will be in the garage.

Nice write up Peter- thanks:)

On the numb finger thing I had a S1000RR that did that to me, only the RH bar and footrest, the footrest didn't bother me but the bar did, I am a little sensititive to numb fingers (cold etc as well plus 2 carple tunnel ops) I tried all kinds of things, heavier bar ends, real heavy bar ends, change of bars and repeat, nothing really fixed it for me, it made it better but not fixed.

The vibe was at 3200rpm, just the rpm you go through 30/40 limits at, only to emerge the other side with pins and needles and a numb hand

And thats the reason I find my self here :)

PRC001

03-06-2018, 10:42 PM

Pleasure Mike.

Footpegs were fine (unlike my MT), was just the bars and levers. Apparently filling the bars with silicon helps but personally have never had to try that trick. Hopefully someone has and can confirm if that works or doesn’t.

Out of interest, I let a friend of mine have a go on the V4S. He was on his Fireblade SP (I had 2 Blades in 08/09). It’s actually a fab bike... does everything well and still a very good motorcycle, but just feels bland. I call the Jap bikes appliances because to me, that’s what they are. Compared to Italians, there is no comparison. This gentleman also has, amongst his collection, an RCV. I have never seen him express any real excitement over that bike, but you should have heard him after we pulled over to swop back onto our own bikes.

mikef4uk

03-07-2018, 04:51 AM

Pleasure Mike.

Yes, after the initial 'screaming in my helmet' at the power/speed of the S1000RR (in 2010) had worn off, or I got used to it the bike did turn pretty 'bland', or soul/characterless, I think the off beat noise of a V4/triple/or even xplane Yamaha keeps me amused,

I get fed up listening to the locals screaming their in line 4 cylinder bikes along a by-pass quite close to our house, they just sound annoying, but a V twin (L twin Ducati) Triple, V4 etc or V8, V10, V12 car just doesn't have that 'annoying' effect on me!!

Back to V4 Ducati topic.

I'm very tempted to swap my 15 plate 1100 in for a new one, for no other reason than the bike is out of warranty, there is nothing out there (IMHO) that competes with the Tuono 1100, but, the thought of the motor failing big time is 'niggling' at me.

I would be extremely pissed off if I swapped it in only for Ducati to announce a naked rival for the TV4 1100 based on their V4 engine, I know it's going to happen, and Ducati know they MUST target the Aprilia V4 as that does appear to win every magazine road test.

it wouldnt mean that I would instantly order/buy the Ducati, but, I think it (could be if released) the only bike out there to challenge the TV4

PRC001

03-07-2018, 08:57 AM

Back to V4 Ducati topic.

it wouldnt mean that I would instantly order/buy the Ducati, but, I think it (could be if released) the only bike out there to challenge the TV4

My 1100, also a '15, is also really due for change but apart from the fact that Cayenne haven't even got one in the country, I will not give them the pleasure of taking my money. They don't seem to hold any parts in stock, not even the basics and all I hear from anyone is... wait for 6-8 weeks until parts arrive.

I have enquired about a naked V4 Duc but as yet, no news, Surely they will do one as nakeds seem to be out selling almost everything these days. If they had one right now, I'd buy it! A naked V4S would be just the ticket :lol:

352775

Apologies for all that sunshine & warmth oozing from the photo... :cheers:

Revit

03-07-2018, 09:21 AM

Can't...too much $ in Aprilia logo clothes.
:D

andyandtherman

03-07-2018, 06:48 PM

My neighbor just picked up his V4 Ducati. It's fine, but there's no way I'm interested in trading. They have 5 Panigale bikes in their household... a 1299 or 2, a 899, the V4, and I don't remember the other. I'm not a Ducati guy, but I'm sure it's a fine machine. I'll be riding with him and his GF (she has the 1299) this weekend in the TX hill country area and we plan on doing some track days as well. I'll keep you guys posted with observations... and no, I won't be riding it, even though they've extended the invite. It makes things go south very quickly if someone drops your bike, or vice versa...

mikef4uk

03-07-2018, 06:50 PM

352775

Apologies for all that sunshine & warmth oozing from the photo... :cheers:

Parts are the same in the UK, if you look at the stock on Fowlers web site they have nothing in stock and will not order until they get enough to fill a transport pallet, they order roughly every two weeks, then theres the wait for Aprilia to pick them plus shipping plus re shipping to customer.

When I had my Ducati ANYTHING was available from a European central store within 3 days

PS: You have too much sunshine there, can you export some to us? should be easier now we are leaving the EU :)

plocky

03-08-2018, 02:21 AM

BTW; this isn't your neighbour is it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAsRyA8RsXM, :lol:, :kidding:

Turder

03-08-2018, 02:57 AM

My neighbor just picked up his V4 Ducati. It's fine, but there's no way I'm interested in trading. They have 5 Panigale bikes in their household..

This is also why Ducati manages to sell bikes in relatively big numbers. Who knows a guy that has 5 V4 Aprilias in his garage? Yep...Even the dealers don't have :lol:

That SP Blade looks mint as... IMO one of the great sportbikes ever. Quality parts and nice spec. Great real life perfomance and reliability.

mikef4uk

03-08-2018, 04:15 AM

100% agree! I would love to ride some bikes that my friends own, however I just decline the offer as it could end a friendship.
Nobody rides my bike or my horse!

BTW; this isn't your neighbour is it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAsRyA8RsXM, :lol:, :kidding:

There's very few friends I swap bikes with after an incident some years back when a friend 'paddled' his bike backwards into one of my MV's scratching the rear wheel quite badly, he then went into the 'tee cut will restore that' followed by 'it's only the wheel though' type of sh*t when he realised the scratch was through to the aluminium.

I can only imagine the response if he was riding and fell off it 'Well, say it was you riding it and claim off your insurance because i'm only covered 3rd party'

PRC001

03-08-2018, 04:45 AM

100% agree! I would love to ride some bikes that my friends own, however I just decline the offer as it could end a friendship.
Nobody rides my bike or my horse!

And the wife/girlfriend? :lol:

PRC001

03-08-2018, 04:50 AM

That SP Blade looks mint as... IMO one of the great sportbikes ever. Quality parts and nice spec. Great real life perfomance and reliability.

It is still a great bike - and it is mint! And you want see what else he has in the garage... one of many others is a mint NR750 that he's had since fresh out of the crate.

a bathing ape

03-08-2018, 11:51 AM

My thoughts on the other V4 at the DC bike show. Lol

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180308/1cc81eb3365f6913b485f537a03a3b8e.jpg

Side note, I don't think I've ever seen Aprilia at a bike show. Why don't they make more of an appearance?

stu_h

03-15-2018, 05:39 PM

Oopsie

Unknown cause.

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0p3ragh0st

03-15-2018, 05:54 PM

Ouch.

the bartender

03-15-2018, 06:46 PM

Oopsie

Unknown cause.

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It had been overheating and stalling on previous days.

snikwad

03-15-2018, 06:53 PM

If after this weekend you guys come near SATX. Hit me up. Been looking for some folks to ride with that aren't squidy or trying to be IoMTT on these streets.

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snikwad

03-15-2018, 06:54 PM

They V4s are straight fire tho. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180315/255cc21660d4af3b6afe770bd8c1fd5c.jpg

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SK-RSV4

03-15-2018, 06:55 PM

[QUOTE=stu_h;4398850]Oopsie

Unknown cause.

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FIRE - that causes that ;-)

I did think for a minute perhaps they had developed front wheel drive and he had been doing a burnout !!! LOL

paulmm600

03-16-2018, 02:02 AM

So they run a little hotter than the 1299.

1969

03-16-2018, 02:38 AM

Well at least they solved the heat issue of a hot ass and leg of the previous generations. Good job Ducati!

Although it looks like it might still be there in some form, only moved forward a bit.

Whitney151

03-16-2018, 09:28 AM

It had been overheating and stalling on previous days.

So - running normally then?

the bartender

03-16-2018, 10:10 AM

So - running normally then?

overheating on a Canadian winter morning.... maybe it has the same cooling system as our V4.

murphc13

03-16-2018, 10:26 AM

overheating on a Canadian winter morning.... maybe it has the same cooling system as our V4.
Have you ever seen an RSV4/TUONO V4 fireball like that?

Whitney151

03-16-2018, 10:30 AM

I was making a joke.

My previous 1199 ran super hot and stalled all the time - it became normal. Looks like not a lot has changed.

Cooling and heat management on the Ape is worlds better.

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murphc13

03-16-2018, 10:42 AM

I was making a joke.

My previous 1199 ran super hot and stalled all the time - it became normal. Looks like not a lot has changed.

Cooling and heat management on the Ape is worlds better.

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Cool.I think the Aprilias run hot too but I never rode a Panigale.
Im sure they’ll get it sorted but for one there doesn’t seem to be the buzz about this V4 Ducati as when hey launched the original Pani in 2012 or whenever it was.

mikef4uk

03-16-2018, 11:31 AM

I looked on the Ducati forum, Ducati are giving him a new bike and taking his 'old' one away for investigation,

I wonder what Aprilia would do in similar circ*mstances?

Look at the fire on the road under the bike, perhaps the oil cooler let go and the exhaust manifold set the oil alight

mikef4uk

03-16-2018, 11:40 AM

Have you ever seen an RSV4/TUONO V4 fireball like that?

Not RSV4/Tuono, but certainly Aprilia....just ask Colin Edwards :eek:

353309

Hrdtyme

03-16-2018, 01:40 PM

I rode the Ducati V4 a few days ago. Seeing it then riding it finally was relieving after all the hoopla. Describing my experience briefly I will say that the V4 had exceptionally more power than anything Ive ridden. To add to that, the electronics were great as well. In the 20 miles of riding it my I will say that I really liked the power delivery and also the electronics. It seemed to be more top heavy than my Ape but at the same time it was an felt lighter. The clutch engagement was waaayy out at the end which sucked but Im sure that could be adjusted.in conclusion it was ehh... ok. The truth is, and Im not being biased is that I like my Ape better. All around the aprilia is better in my opinion. If I could add the works kit to mine that V4 would not have a chance as far as power. No need to worry fellas/ladies, we are still riding a better machine.

snikwad

03-16-2018, 02:17 PM

Please state what ape u have, for the members of the court.

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vfr1200

03-16-2018, 09:13 PM

2016 rsv rr

Racer X

03-17-2018, 08:58 AM

Local shop dynoed one at 198, 205 w exhaust and remap

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paulmm600

03-17-2018, 09:36 AM

Is that the 5k full system?

TL2Bass

03-17-2018, 10:38 AM

Local shop just dyno'd one at 186 fully stock. They said the exhaust hanger grommets got uber hot and started smoking, almost catching fire. They think that's the issue with the fiery Duc. Looks like the first recall will be these grommets. Or Rizoma will make some "Fire Robbing Sculpted Grommets" and charge $349 for a set!

magzx12r

03-17-2018, 11:04 AM

Local shop dynoed one at 198, 205 w exhaust and remap

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Any idea what other bikes have been making on that dyno recently?

Racer X

03-17-2018, 03:11 PM

Any idea what other bikes have been making on that dyno recently?

No, it was V1 ( northwest Honda)

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snikwad

03-17-2018, 04:22 PM

But that bike looks like the fire started in the front.
Which coincides with what guy on the Fb said his buddy had one and the dash caught on fire.

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magzx12r

03-17-2018, 04:27 PM

Yep. Saw the Facebook post. Some of the Mancuso guys are there now with Carlos. Just wanted to know how the Pani compares to the BMW and Aprilia.

Edit: This is in response to Racer X's post.

mikef4uk

03-18-2018, 05:43 AM

Interesting video, we all know how close the R1 and RSV4 are, so this shows just how close the RSV4 and Ducati V4S would be, and imagine what a 1100 RSV4 would do to all of them :).

I thought the Ducati V4S would pull away.............

Notice the new design of back protector the Kawasaki lad has :eek:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezjwYQ8xB8c

0p3ragh0st

03-18-2018, 07:09 AM

Interesting video, we all know how close the R1 and RSV4 are, so this shows just how close the RSV4 and Ducati V4S would be, and imagine what a 1100 RSV4 would do to all of them :).

I thought the Ducati V4S would pull away.............

Notice the new design of back protector the Kawasaki lad has :eek:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezjwYQ8xB8c

I hate when they leave out rider weight. Although highly illegal, these pull videos are a good judge of a bikes acceleration potential when the riders are evenly weight matched. You’d be surprised what a 20 lb rider weight difference can do to effect the race outcome.

To to be honest, I did expect more from the Ducati though.

a bathing ape

03-18-2018, 09:41 AM

Iim seeing speculation on the V4S fire might be a faulty aftermarket fuel filler cap, which you can see in aftermath pic lol. The owner is still waiting to hear back from DNA.

I hate when they leave out rider weight. Although highly illegal, these pull videos are a good judge of a bikes acceleration potential when the riders are evenly weight matched. Youd be surprised what a 20 lb rider weight difference can do to effect the race outcome.

To to be honest, I did expect more from the Ducati though.

The R1 rider is ~160lbs. The ZX-10R has a lot of work done. The Duc did really well for a stock bike, but Im not that surprised with the extra cc's.

vfr1200

03-18-2018, 11:19 AM

R1 seemed to pull zx a bit, ducati looked a hair
Faster accel than r1. What mods on the r1m?

Micah / AF1 Racing

03-18-2018, 12:14 PM

No comment on safety or legality, just dreamy how little daytime traffic there is! I cannot imagine any city within a day's ride/drive from me where you could find so little traffic even on a Saturday or Sunday afternoon. Jealous mainly.

a bathing ape

03-18-2018, 12:25 PM

SK-RSV4

03-18-2018, 12:39 PM

Interesting video, we all know how close the R1 and RSV4 are, so this shows just how close the RSV4 and Ducati V4S would be, and imagine what a 1100 RSV4 would do to all of them :).

I thought the Ducati V4S would pull away.............

Notice the new design of back protector the Kawasaki lad has :eek:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezjwYQ8xB8c

They are all so close it's sometimes a case of who changes gear at the right / optimum time, and yeah - who the hell rides at 150 mph in a T shirt FFS ! - no wonder he's on the Kawasaki !!

I was riding my RSV4 on Friday in the sunshine, now here there is a foot of snow again ?!!! WTF is going on with our weather :-0

murphc13

03-18-2018, 03:21 PM

All the bikes are so close these days.
If it’s road(or street for you US boys) riding only then get whichever you like the look of or strikes a chord.
The power games on the road is almost irrelevant.They all have way too much but that’s half the attraction I suppose.

mikef4uk

03-19-2018, 04:10 AM

They are all so close it's sometimes a case of who changes gear at the right / optimum time, and yeah - who the hell rides at 150 mph in a T shirt FFS ! - no wonder he's on the Kawasaki !!

I was riding my RSV4 on Friday in the sunshine, now here there is a foot of snow again ?!!! WTF is going on with our weather :-0

It appeared to me that all the bikes where so close that if one bike had a one or two mph 'start' on the other it carried it right through the whole 'race' as they appeared to virtually take it turns to 'win'

Yes on the weather WTF?, this is the first year I can remember that I still havent re-taxed my motorcycles yet

mikef4uk

03-19-2018, 04:45 AM

R1 seemed to pull zx a bit, ducati looked a hair
Faster accel than r1. What mods on the r1m?

From under the youtube video

18 Ducati V4S - 100% stock, Strap. 300 miles on the dash. 17 Kawasaki ZX10R - Filter, Flash, Cat delete, Lowered. 17 Yamaha R1M - Filter, Flash, Exhaust

jmrk

03-19-2018, 12:29 PM

I looked hard at the Ducati, but in the end, I wanted a liter bike. That's where the development is happening for me. I liked what I seen with the Ducati, but putting that much money down for a brand new design, particularly a Ducati (they have enough work keeping Gremlins at bay in their matured bikes), and having just an open class to compete in, was more than I was willing to go. That left the Aprilia, the RF in particular. I found two brand new 2017 Aprilia RSV4 RFs at our dealer that were both just under $20k and for that price, that's all it took! I'm incredibly happy with my decision, too. The only change I see is an Akro Carbon No CAT exhaust so I can hear it!

flobrandx

03-19-2018, 01:06 PM

I defected to a 17 RF :burnout::burnout:

Whitney151

03-19-2018, 04:40 PM

Sorry, but who gives 2 sh*ts about straight-line drag speed in this class of bike? So much skill is needed to hold the throttle wide open and shift when the light tells you to. Pathetic.

SK-RSV4

03-19-2018, 05:07 PM

I'm thinking of getting a snowmobile !

dastrix

03-19-2018, 05:20 PM

Sorry, but who gives 2 sh*ts about straight-line drag speed in this class of bike? So much skill is needed to hold the throttle wide open and shift when the light tells you to. Pathetic.

Agree. Stupid video.

Hrdtyme

03-19-2018, 05:29 PM

Please state what ape u have, for the members of the court.

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2016 Rsv4rr race ECU Austin Racing exhaust

mikef4uk

03-19-2018, 06:52 PM

Sorry, but who gives 2 sh*ts about straight-line drag speed in this class of bike? So much skill is needed to hold the throttle wide open and shift when the light tells you to. Pathetic.

No one said it needed any skill

After all the hype about the Ducati being 1100cc and 214?hp it was just a video that showed for all of Ducati's (and a lot of magazines and journo's hype about the Ducati, plus more than a few you tube clips about how quick and great the thing is)

The video just shows it's not really any quicker than anything else out there that's all, nothing more

Sonny112

03-19-2018, 07:31 PM

It's a stupid video made by stupid squids; it proves nothing about any of the bikes....

snikwad

03-19-2018, 08:22 PM

It's a stupid video made by stupid squids; it proves nothing about any of the bikes....

Gotta say... kinda hard to argue with that. :)

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flobrandx

03-19-2018, 08:49 PM

It's a stupid video made by stupid squids; it proves nothing about any of the bikes....
Nailed it! :gunner:

snikwad

03-19-2018, 08:52 PM

That video is like a 650ib smackdown. Yeah. Smack down. [emoji23]

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L8Braker

03-19-2018, 09:11 PM

Had an 1198S. Like riding a BBQ less than 100kph... sh*te ergs ... sh*te fuelling below 3k ... too tall gearing ... but beautiful to look at. even nicer to look at in somebody else's garage ... Multistrada had the same engine ... too much for the suspension ... better ergos
My '18 Tuono Factory on its way. Test drove the '17. Never going back to a twin ... different strokes I guess ...

Whitney151

03-19-2018, 10:35 PM

No one said it needed any skill

The video just shows it's not really any quicker than anything else out there that's all, nothing more

I hear ya and sorry to overreact.

But It might (probably, actually) spank both bikes in corner entry and exit which is what it was designed to do. Power is an element of the whole package. You know this already. Ive been drinking.

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white07zx6r

03-19-2018, 11:12 PM

+1 on this, had GP do some work on my 05 F4 took them 4 months to finish it. the only people I let touch my MV now is Moto Forza in escondido. The only person I'll let touch my aprilia's is amauri

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0p3ragh0st

03-20-2018, 12:30 AM

It's a stupid video made by stupid squids; it proves nothing about any of the bikes....

Squids for sure but I beg to differ sir. While this type of racing is highly illegal and highly dangerous on open roads with civilian traffic especially with guys using no gear half the time, it goes to prove the differences in acceleration between the two bikes. It can be a fairly accurate race especially when the riders weigh similar to each other. While its true that these bikes were designed for more than a straight line pull from a 60mph roll...its a simple task that any machine can be used for. The whole purpose of this kind of racing is mainly just that, to see which machine is faster in straight line acceleration. I just watched the MotoGP this weekend in Qatar where the Ducati and Honda were side by side, they both pinned it out of a turn and sure enough the Ducati out powered the Honda ridden by Marquez, so yeah, acceleration does matter. So in this type of racing they eliminate the skill required to launch from a standstill so all your left with is a rider that is just required to nail the throttle and hang on. Not much skill required there since you dont need to clutch in to shift anymore and the whole process throughout the whole shift sequence becomes nearly automated other than the rider required to upshift, even wheelie events/control are automated. Not much skill in that at least till you get behind something like a 255whp s1000rr thats been stretched and strapped and still wants to come up on you. Most of these guys shut wheelie control off because that controls engine torque to bring the front wheel back down so essentially your loosing precious speed.

I see your into track racing, have you ever done drags with your bike or roll racing? I can tell you that I have and its actually very fun. Its been a while but here in MA they used to close down an old airfield for this kind of racing. I ran a 2004 CBR 1000rr last year with my 12 RSV4, and from a 70mph roll in 2nd with -1+2 gearing with WC off she was a hand full. But it was fun.

Ill admit, most people arnt into this kind of racing or drag racing at a drag park. And of course using a 25K Ducati for roll racing is foolish, there are other bikes like an H2, ZX14 or Hayabusa that are better suited for this kind of stuff but some of these guys that are doing this type of racing also take there bikes to tracks like COTA. Heart wants what it wants.

But It might (probably, actually) spank both bikes in corner entry and exit which is what it was designed to do. Power is an element of the whole package. You know this already. I’ve been drinking.

Im sure this is true. Bike was actually out accelerating the other bike in the video. One point in the vid that ducati wheelies and gets passed, thats the nature of the game. I also agree that Power is an element of the whole package but its very difficult to achieve a total combined package that doesnt have its flaws. How many times has it been posted that someones RSV4 came into and out of a corner only to get passed on the straights by that S1000rr? Unfortunatly these new liter bikes are at a displacement disadvantage vs this new ducati. The gap is only going to get wider especially when people start modding and tuning this new Panigale.

mikef4uk

03-20-2018, 04:35 AM

I hear ya and sorry to overreact.

But It might (probably, actually) spank both bikes in corner entry and exit which is what it was designed to do. Power is an element of the whole package. You know this already. I’ve been drinking.

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:) Thats fine, thanks, and I know what your saying about actual riding and comparing the bikes on a track :)

As said above, drag racing is very popular, think of it this way:

If a top fuel dragster was waiting for the lights to go green and that green light was triggered by you riding past him flat out at 190mph on your RSV4 he would beat you to the 1/4 mile finish :)

snikwad

03-20-2018, 05:19 AM

If there's a 30lbs difference between any of these riders in the video, then these "races" mean nothing.

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0p3ragh0st

03-20-2018, 06:19 AM

If there's a 30lbs difference between any of these riders in the video, then these "races" mean nothing.
True, unless your bike just makes more power to overcome the weight difference. Then of course it’s just fun, so win or loose people are going to race either way.

a bathing ape

03-20-2018, 09:30 AM

If there's a 30lbs difference between any of these riders in the video, then these "races" mean nothing.

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The weight difference is a big factor, but what I feel most people here are forgetting that the Duc is the only stock bike there. All the others are flashed & modded. So with it's displacement advantage, its pretty damn quick out the box. Can only imagine what it will do once it's modded too.

0p3ragh0st

03-21-2018, 06:57 AM

Tell you, we Aprilia guys have it easy. $4k for an Akra slip on for the Panny V4. http://shift-tech-carbon.com/onlineshop/product_info.php?products_id=2251

No thanks. I can imagine what the R model bike is going to run. Might be worth it to consider buying a Norton V4RR for that kind of money.

mikef4uk

03-21-2018, 08:33 AM

Tell you, we Aprilia guys have it easy. $4k for an Akra slip on for the Panny V4. http://shift-tech-carbon.com/onlineshop/product_info.php?products_id=2251

No thanks. I can imagine what the R model bike is going to run. Might be worth it to consider buying a Norton V4RR for that kind of money.

They havent even stated making them yet, I did a Norton Factory tour last year....a real eyeopener, it could have so easy been a scam, they could have taken my £25K and within 30 minutes of me leaving put all the ''production line'' in the back of a medium sized furniture removal van and dissapeared :eek:

The Production line in an old office complete with carpet tiled floor, you can even see where the original desks lived when it was owned by Midland Airways

353635

rcrullamas

03-22-2018, 09:43 AM

When I was looking to replace my 16 R1, I was debating on the following 3 motorcycles, R1M, V4S, RSV4 RF. I have owned a Yamaha the longest started on 09 R6 late 2008 and a 16 Ducati 959 less than a year that was replaced by the R1. Even tho I had a bad experience with my 959, specially being a first production year, the V4S was on my radar for the technology updates and the great reviews it was receiving which made me reserve one with my local dealer. When I visited my Ape dealership, I ended up test riding a RSV4 and couldnt stop thinking about my great experience. Im pretty sure I would felt the same way about the V4S if a demo ride was available. Reliability was the big key on making my decision on getting RSV4, this bike has been refined and has tons of support with OEM racing and aftermarket parts. Yamaha also had this but I wanted something different that had the true V4 soul. Im happy with my purchase and enjoying my 18 RSV4 RF.

Side note I still check on the Duc forum and found the V4 has a chugging/bogging issue like my 959, that the dealer and Ducati accused me of putting in bad gas (87) which I have never done.

Dark Rider

03-26-2018, 01:58 AM

Took the Panigale V4 out for a test ride this weekend.

Was an amazing bike with amazing handling and very easy to ride fast. Confidence inspiring is an understatement! Normally on a test ride I am a bit apprehensive to push it but the Panigale was very inviting and stable. Never had a doubt it would slip up in any way. Race mode was pretty intense but I actually preferred it to sport mode. I do think RACE is a bit much for the street though but thats just from a 30min ride.

The Aprilia definitely sounds way better in my opinion. My bike still has the stock exhaust so we compared exhaust notes. Yes the Ducati is made to sound different but in my opinion the V4 has a unique sound so why make it sound like a twin?

Any way, here are some pic and a video of our time on the V4.

VIDEO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiHYXPO8MMc

https://imgur.com/dBDGVsk
https://i.imgur.com/dBDGVsk.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/X8LR1EK.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/9wclCax.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/j142pmj.jpg

plocky

03-26-2018, 02:44 AM

Took the Panigale V4 out for a test ride this weekend.

Thanks, that was cool.

mikef4uk

03-26-2018, 03:22 AM

Took the Panigale V4 out for a test ride this weekend.

Thanks for your thoughts and findings :)

The sound is Ducati's take on the correct firing order and spacing for maximum traction, I would imagine the same as their Moto GP bike,

I agree though the sound doesnt do it for me either

gtpandrsvrguy

03-28-2018, 07:59 AM

They are all so close it's sometimes a case of who changes gear at the right / optimum time, and yeah - who the hell rides at 150 mph in a T shirt FFS ! - no wonder he's on the Kawasaki !!

I was riding my RSV4 on Friday in the sunshine, now here there is a foot of snow again ?!!! WTF is going on with our weather :-0

Same thing here in The US. 70s a few weeks ago then 3 noreasters that dumped a few feet of snow. [emoji36]

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oldbluechair09

03-30-2018, 05:52 PM

Same thing here in The US. 70s a few weeks ago then 3 noreasters that dumped a few feet of snow. [emoji36]

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Yes this New England weather is killing me. Winter is hanging on longer than Id hoped.

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v01d

04-14-2018, 08:17 PM

...Even tho I had a bad experience with my 959, specially being a first production year, ....has a chugging/bogging issue like my 959, ...

Hey I'm curious what issues you had with 959? I've met 1 or 2 guys who track the sh*t out of their 899, with no issues. I was eyeing 959 (not instead RSV4, but as extra ..)

v01d

04-14-2018, 08:26 PM

Thanks for your thoughts and findings :)
The sound is Ducati's take on the correct firing order and spacing for maximum traction, I would imagine the same as their Moto GP bike,
I agree though the sound doesnt do it for me either

If I understand it right, the firing order etc. make it work 'like a twin', two pistons at the time. So does it still feel like a twin then i wonder .. ?:confused:

ampfore

04-15-2018, 01:33 AM

If I understand it right, the firing order etc. make it work 'like a twin', two pistons at the time. So does it still feel like a twin then i wonder .. ?:confused:

That is not true. Go onto YouTube and you will see the firing order. Two pistons do not fire at the same time.

amok

04-15-2018, 02:36 AM

Base model V4 panigale $AUD 28,990 plus on roads
My Tuono was less than 20k brand new, ride away.
My S1000RR was 25k ride away for the fully specced model.

What a joke....

I don't mind paying premium prices for premium bikes but that's just taking the piss

wristpin

04-15-2018, 03:00 AM

$34,500nz for the base model
$44,500nz for the S model
$70,500nz for the special model.

First rule for any business is as long as you dont take the piss, people will always come back for more.
Ducati just took the piss.

Aprilia dealers here in nz took the piss when the rsv4 was released in 2009, over $40k for the factory, they learned from that mistake.

murphc13

04-15-2018, 03:01 AM

I was surprised to see them using a Lithium as standard.
Pop one in our RSVs and it’s closer than it looks at first

wristpin

04-15-2018, 03:19 AM

Lithium batterys have been around for decades, theres no reason not to make them a standard fitment.

Rocketrod01

04-15-2018, 03:38 AM

I am the same except a 906 Paso 900ss 998FE 1198S 1098R 16 Multistrada and a 81 Hailwood replica still got the R and the S one with big ends gone and one with a gearbox gone just bought a 16 Model RF for the track how nice and easy it has been to live with so far and so nice on the track.

Rod

v01d

04-15-2018, 07:03 AM

Base model V4 panigale $AUD 28,990 plus on roads
My Tuono was less than 20k brand new, ride away.
...

That's must be wrong prices mate .. I bought RSV4RR '17 3rd quarter last year, it was ~25. Tuono Factory now is ~27K AUD, and RF is ~33K AUD.
Your Tuono even base model now cannot be less than 20K.

Anyway, screw that Panigale V4 for that price, they will have too many problems ;)

Diablo1

04-15-2018, 07:21 AM

If I understand it right, the firing order etc. make it work 'like a twin', two pistons at the time. So does it still feel like a twin then i wonder .. ?:confused:

Firing order is 0, 90, 290, 380 degrees. Big Bang cycle with one out of two crank rotations with power strokes. It almost sounds like a twin because of the close firing of cylinder pairs within 90 degrees. Ducati twins though are not Big Bang engines as they spread the power over two crank rotations.

v01d

04-17-2018, 06:03 AM

Thank man. So what you saying, that engine is a Big Bang? Alike Yamaha's R1 big bang ?

I can't say I can visualize it easily in my head .. but I'll think about it :)

I do have Big Bang engine too on my Yama

amok

04-17-2018, 07:37 AM

That's must be wrong prices mate .. I bought RSV4RR '17 3rd quarter last year, it was ~25. Tuono Factory now is ~27K AUD, and RF is ~33K AUD.
Your Tuono even base model now cannot be less than 20K.

Anyway, screw that Panigale V4 for that price, they will have too many problems ;)

I didn’t pay retail. I bought a 2016 right before the new model arrived, it was their last one and cost 19900 ride away. Deals can be had if you don’t mind the old model.

Ive also seen a couple new 2016 rsv4s pop up on bikesales for around 20-21k

edit; heres one http://www.bikesales.com.au/bikes/details/2016-Aprilia-RSV4-RR/OAG-AD-15037533

and a new 2016 tuono for less than 19k http://www.bikesales.com.au/bikes/details/2016-Aprilia-Tuono-V4-1100-RR/OAG-AD-14910024

murphc13

04-17-2018, 04:15 PM

Lithium batterys have been around for decades, theres no reason not to make them a standard fitment.
http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?271198-What-have-you-done-to-your-Tuono-V4-today/page399
Theres a man here that might disagree with you.
He had three fails of a Lithium.
Now hes back to stock....this is why I havent gone that route yet.
Going Lithium to me at least is only a good idea if they are reliable.
From what Ive seen.....they are not there yet.

mikef4uk

04-17-2018, 05:51 PM

And I thought an Aprilia rattled :lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogOXYG1PbsE

Diablo1

04-17-2018, 06:14 PM

Thank man. So what you saying, that engine is a Big Bang? Alike Yamaha's R1 big bang ?

I can't say I can visualize it easily in my head .. but I'll think about it :)

I do have Big Bang engine too on my Yama

The Yamaha isn’t a Big Bang engine because the power strokes are spread out over two crank revolutions. Bottom line is that the New Ducati V4 won’t sound or feel like any other engine, except the old Desmosedicci V4 which has the exact same crank design and firing order.

kruczkowski666

04-17-2018, 06:36 PM

355773 :lol::

mikef4uk

04-18-2018, 03:07 AM

355773 :lol::

A couple of years ago MCN did the 'weight thing' with a cross section of bikes

From their findings dry weight means:

Bike without any fluids, this includes fuel/oil/battery/fork oil/coolant/brake fluid

They removed all of the above and still could not get to the 'dry weight', they spoke to the manufacturers who said that every part on the motorcycle has a tolerance, including a max/min weight tolerance, for
the dry weight we add the minimum weight of every component together!!!

So, the only way to get the correct manufacturing weight is to weigh a production model as the Ducati owner did :)

Diablo1

04-18-2018, 03:33 AM

So the new Ducati V4 weighs the same as the RSV4, hmmm?

murphc13

04-18-2018, 08:01 AM

So the new Ducati V4 weighs the same as the RSV4, hmmm?
No....it’s 6 lbs heavier if you go ‘like for like’ on the battery front lol

the bartender

04-18-2018, 02:19 PM

A couple of years ago MCN did the 'weight thing' with a cross section of bikes

From their findings dry weight means:

Bike without any fluids, this includes fuel/oil/battery/fork oil/coolant/brake fluid

So, the only way to get the correct manufacturing weight is to weigh a production model as the Ducati owner did :)

I believe it was Ducati who also did not count the weight of tires as they were considered "consumables".

flobrandx

04-18-2018, 08:16 PM

I believe it was Ducati who also did not count the weight of tires as they were considered "consumables".
Well with that approach might as well remove the brake pads too!

L8Braker

04-18-2018, 09:14 PM

I had an 1198S. Like a BBQ strapped to a missile. Next to useless in the city in my experience. Geared way too tall even with a smaller cog up front, stiff clutch, bucking and jerking below 3-4k... stiff as an ironing board ... the thing is happy at 150kph minimum on the track. period ... the Tuono is bellisimo everywhere ...

kruczkowski666

04-19-2018, 04:55 AM

I’m member of Ducati forum also and I own both and I like both.only reason I screen shot this to show hipocracy of brand driven people.for all those years I was heard how RSV4 was to fat and this was big problem for Panigale owners.

kruczkowski666

04-19-2018, 05:01 AM

I have buddy who is hardcore Ducati fan I ask him if he wants take my RF for spin?NO! he will not even sit on this bike that’s how crazy this people are.lol

oldbluechair09

04-21-2018, 03:17 PM

I would not entertain buying the new Ducati. I dont feel that it looks different enough from the outgoing model. Especially not for such a monumental change going from the twin to a V4. They couldnt even be bothered to have a booth at the NYC IMS. I also dont feel that it warrants the price they are asking. The base model is the same price everyone else is charging for their top tier machine. All set thank you very much.

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Dan Halen

04-21-2018, 09:06 PM

I think the standout aspect of the Ape is the chassis, as Micah thinks as well. Yes, the motor works great, and sounds absolutely amazing/vicious, but the chassis cannot be replicated by adding diff suspension, etc, to another bike.

I own a 2015 R1 and a 2016 RSV4. Both are race prepped and highly modified. Both on K-tech DDS shocks and pressurizes carts. The Ape simply blows the R1 out of the water if we are talking racetrack behavior of turn in, agility, mid corner stability/ability to make subtle line changes, etc. It really rides like a 600 compared to the R1. Its also a much "harder" bike. The stiffness of the chassis transfers to every aspect of the bike, which is good on track at speed, but maybe not on the road. The tank is also MUCH better for the track.

I also used to have an 1199, and I think that bike's chassis was definitely a weirder one. Much softer.

As for weigh, Both my R1 and Ape have lots of weight los; carbon wheels, aftermarket subframes and fairing stays, etc. Both have almost the exact same mods/amount of weight loss applied, and astonishingly, the Ape is lighter than the R1 by at least 5 lbs on a shipping scale!

Can't lie and say the Duc V4 isnt interesting and I'm sure its amazing to ride, but it certainly fell a little short of what I expected of their body design.

0p3ragh0st

04-22-2018, 06:16 PM

I just recently went to the local Ducati dealer here in MA. I’ve been on the fence about getting a newer bike. I gotta say the new V4 is a nice looking bike however I prefer the look of the 1299 they had in stock. Regardless, I’ve never ridden one but I do like it. I don’t think I like the 30k out the door price tag nor the price tag for its accessories. The other thing is, my RSV4 has been a great bike, rock solid with no issues. Not sure I’m willing to jump ship to the Ducati camp, not sure I trust their reliability.

Prospected

04-22-2018, 06:37 PM

I also used to have an 1199, and I think that bike's chassis was definitely a weirder one. Much softer.

Can't lie and say the Duc V4 isnt interesting and I'm sure its amazing to ride, but it certainly fell a little short of what I expected of their body design.

I'd like to see your actual wet weights because my 18' R1 with almost exact same mods as my 14' Ape Factory is roughly 35 pounds lighter.

Dan Halen

04-24-2018, 11:59 AM

I'd like to see your actual wet weights because my 18' R1 with almost exact same mods as my 14' Ape Factory is roughly 35 pounds lighter.

Are both your bikes race prepped? Cuz it seems a lot of the weight discrepancies between the Ape and other bikes is the factory lights and such are heavier, especially than most Japanese ones.
On the same freight shipping scale my R1 was 392 with a little gas in tank, and the Ape was 382, also with some gas in tank (i'm extrapolating a little here- it was 387 with stock forged wheels, and it now has carbon wheels- so roughly 5 lbs diff I think is fair?).

Reliable horsepower ;)

2milles

05-17-2018, 10:27 PM

paulmm600

05-17-2018, 11:00 PM

Good call, let us know what you think. I've been thinking about a 959 too, more than enough ponies for the street.

SK-RSV4

05-18-2018, 02:49 PM

Well,

My brother came round for a ride last night, I thought he would be on his BMW S1000RR but no, he went and swapped the BMW for a Ducati V4S on Wednesday without telling me !!!!!! Bastard !! :-)

So now am seriously jealous - I never liked the BMW, like a bland version of an old Suzuki GSXR, the only thing I liked was the heated grips!
But the V4 looked amazing, he is running it in so wouldn't let me ride it :-(

he did say after about 200 miles so far that it was very HOT like a 1299 & that it was uncomfortable on his hands, wrists and feet after the BMW (and he has a 1290 Superduke)

His insurance more than doubled though :-) LOL

8igstu

05-18-2018, 03:48 PM

Not even thinking about it. The first year for a radical departure from their traditional engine configuration would make me nervous dropping that amount of coin so I'd wait till they iron out all the bugs. .

I'm staying with my RSV4 its more than I need in Calgary with no track, and Area 27 is to far away, sadly.

2milles

05-22-2018, 01:45 PM

a v4 may not be in my future but I am seriously looking at the 2018 959 panigale corse. enough different that I wont have 2 v4's but a bit of variety. it does not make the hp that my v4 does but torque is within 1 or 2 ft lbs. lighter and very agile
brought home the 959 panigale corsa. its a different bike than the rsv4 but that's why I chose it. appearance was a big factor. corners and handles a bit better than the rf and I have not gone in and did too much tweaking. dealer set sag and initial damper settings. included a akro pipe for bike but dealer said no install till 600 miles. so far so good. power supply and delivery is a bit weak compared to rf but holding rpm etc until more miles